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Since we are celebrating "Women Rule" this month--- where women have made great strides---, I think it's important to answer this question: Is a woman ever being called a B!TCH a good thing?

Look at two examples: Queen Latifah and Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott. They are both strong women who have achieved groundbreaking success, however, one embraces the term B!TCH while the other completely shuns it.

In the Hip Hop culture "b!tch" is used as a word that defines an independent woman. During the late eighties and early nineties was represented with a negative connotation. The word cause a lot of controversy, many women felt it was insulting and disrespecting. In the late nineties "B!tch" became somewhat respectful. Many women began taking control of their futures, becoming independent. Women were bitches because they were making their own money, without help from any man. If you were called a 'bitch" you knew you were handling your business.

What do you think? Has B!tch become the newly accepted thing, apparently like N!gga for many?

Previous Comments

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105087

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I have to say for the record that I think that both Latifah and Misdemeanor are talented females who have their own base, but I think they probably share fans as well, regardless who they feel about being called a b!tch. And on tv today it is unclear how many feel about the word since it has been used in so many ways with men and women. So has being called a n!gga. For some I guess it comes down to who says it and to whom, whether that's rational logic or not.

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-01T14:50:31-06:00

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105088

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These lyrics from Elton John's "The B!tch Is Back" written by Bernie Taupin seem to lend credence to a B!tch being a strong individual. Never thought about it before... "I was justified when I was five Raising cane, I spit in your eye Times are changing, now the poor get fat But the fever’s gonna catch you when the bitch gets back Eat meat on friday that’s alright Even like steak on a saturday night I can bitch the best at your social do’s I get high in the evening sniffing pots of glue I’m a bitch, I’m a bitch Oh the bitch is back Stone cold sober as a matter of fact I can bitch, I can bitch `cause I’m better than you It’s the way that I move The things that I do I entertain by picking brains Sell my soul by dropping names I don’t like those, my god, what’s that Oh it’s full of nasty habits when the bitch gets back"

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-01T16:23:56-06:00

ID

105089

Comment

I have to say that I don't get offended when someone calls me a Bitch. I think it means that I'm not a person that takes crap. I also believe that people may feel that you are a bitch if you speak your mind and aren't passive aggressive regarding conflict. However, I do have a problem when someone adds an additional adjective in front of the word Bitch. Like *Black*, *FAT*, *Stupid*... you get what I mean. I remember a time when my boyfriend (now my husband) called me a bitch in an agruement. He paused because he knew that Bitch wasn't effective anymore and then called me a FAT Bitch! I was furious. I then knew that it didn't mean anything because I know I'm not. In conclusion, it doesn't really matter what someone calls you but what you think of yourself. Roschelle Ogbuji

Author

Roschelle West-Ogbuji

Date

2006-03-01T16:51:36-06:00

ID

105090

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Roschelle writes: "It doesn't really matter what someone calls you but what you think of yourself." Roschelle, just as a follow up, would you feel the same way if one of your white friends addressed you as their "n!gga"? It happens everyday, but there are different reactions to it.

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-01T17:03:31-06:00

ID

105091

Comment

I agree with Rochelle. As I have stated before, I don't get into the name calling thing because I am defined by my own merit. I say what I am. And to be honest we as women have gotten so accustom to hearing the word that we have as I stated with the n word, made it mean what we want it to mean. As she stated, it means independence, self sustained, uncontrollable, powerful, strong, take no prisoners. I don't even really think it's derrogatory to the guys who use it anymore. It's almost like they say the b word when they talking about a woman period. I just don't get the big deal. If one has pride within nothing (not even Fat B!tch) will rattle them. YOu can call me a muthaf'er, you can call me a sl%t....none of that means anything to me. I call my friends biotches. They use the same for me... I mean I don't know...maybe I'm just from a different world or something.

Author

Queen601

Date

2006-03-02T14:22:35-06:00

ID

105092

Comment

And Rochelle that was not a shot at you...I was just explaining that calling someone any name other than their own is just not worthy of any type of raised emotion. Don't let that upset you. I think your then boyfriend, now husband, was just trying to get to you (maybe he noticed you had a problem with your weight). At any rate my point is, be proud of who you are, what you look like, how you act...ALL that you are and NOTHING anyone says - whether it's your friend, husband, sister, brother or fellow blogger -- will steal your joy. Be You and be happy to be that, whatever that is.

Author

Queen601

Date

2006-03-02T14:25:28-06:00

ID

105093

Comment

There is also "Bitch with a Bad Attitude" by the Uppity Blues Women (another genre, but these women are something else). C.A., it is according to who is calling you that (IMO). It's like that other word, in that I can call myself that (if a woman stands up for herself, she's gonna get called b!tch anyway), I'd take any man down a notch if I caught him calling me that (and most other women, too). Maybe you are right, Queen, and I do agree with you theoretically, but what hits me the wrong way doesn't always follow theoretical principals and I don't stay philosophical about it! :-)

Author

C.W.

Date

2006-03-02T15:11:18-06:00

ID

105094

Comment

Yeah CW, I know that it's almost like dreaming to hope that women would one day be this secure and proud. Seeing that we've had to fight for so long to be respected and then to have a prospective on this as I do, might seem a little crazy to some. But I suppose I'm just from a different brand. I do understand. Women who feel disrespected by this word, should never be called it. I agree. I mean to me it's sort of like the word hoodrat (if you've ever heard that)...I know women who'd rather be called a b, than a hoodrat. To me they are both on the same level of insignificance. I thought about what I'm about to say after that long post on the Spike Daze story. But, I remember once when I lived in Atlanta. I worked with this lady who to me seemed to be a bit superficial and seemed to lack substance. She was an older lady, by that I mean older than I was at the time....maybe about late 40's. I made the awful mistake of saying the n word in her presence to one of my guy friends. She nearly had a stroke. She went on to explain to me that my mother would be devastated to hear me use that word. I thought, why would my mother even care. I think I watched her image and idea of who I was deplete right before her eyes. She actually never treated me the same. My idea was that she was ole skool and stuck in that ole mentality....I ended up apologizing to her because she was so hurt...but I really didn't mean it....I thought she needed to get it together. Now, I don't know if my creator brought that episode back to my mind or not but I had blocked it out. At any rate, what I am trying to say is that some people feel differently and should be respected accordingly.

Author

Queen601

Date

2006-03-02T15:44:02-06:00

ID

105095

Comment

I think this is an interesting conversation for all races because it is another example of a word that has had a negative meaning turned into something that is positive. I actually think a strong woman is hot. Sexy. A turn-on even. Do I personally call women b!tches? No. But I'm not saying that it's wrong---just not for me.

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-02T16:05:58-06:00

ID

105096

Comment

I agree C. A. webb. I am currently writing a response to your earlier post for me.

Author

Roschelle West-Ogbuji

Date

2006-03-02T16:09:21-06:00

ID

105097

Comment

I've definitely "taken back" the word "bitch." I love being described by words that indicate that I'm strong and don't take sh!t from idiots. However, no matter what the word is, you know when it's used in an ugly fashion, and there is no excusing those instances. But it is good to know who the really weak people are in our midst.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2006-03-02T16:19:11-06:00

ID

105098

Comment

I have to apologize about something that was just brought to my attention. I stated in my last post that the word b!tch like n!gga has been "turned into something that is positive". That post assumed that the two words are positive. I was wrong to make that assumption, but my point was that some now consider being called a b!tch and n!gga a term of endearment.

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-02T16:19:28-06:00

ID

105099

Comment

Donna, what about n!gga? An email I was sent today told me that (and I can't say this is how everyone feels) his friends----white or black--- welcome each other with "Wassup my n!gga" and it's the same as saying hello friend. Some of my white friends call themselves a n!gga or call close black friends n!gga. Let me get some feedback on that.

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-02T16:27:21-06:00

ID

105100

Comment

Thanks, for the comments Queen601 and C.A. Webb. Have you ever heard the old saying that actions speaks louder than word. What is more damaging to women in our current society is not what we are being called but how we are being respected or disrespected. I am more hurt by people's action than any word or words they may call me. When C.A. Webb asked if Bitch was the new Nigga it raised a lot of opinions and thoughts for me. I really don't think its words but the intent behind the words. Are you trying to compliment me? Are you trying to hurt me? Are your motivations racial? How are you treating me? If your actions show me that you don't respect me and your words support your actions I have a major problem. To answer C.A. Webb question regarding if one of my white friends were to call me nigga would I be offended. It is a hard question to answer. As I said before its about intent. I have some very close white friends due to growing up in a predominately white suburb in the Mid-West. They never called me nigga but I was put in a few uncomfortable situations when they referred to other blacks as NIGGERS. I was always told that I wasn't really black to them because I didn't talk or act in what they perceived to be "BLACK". That was more disturbing then if they were to call me Nigga. To make matters worst my fellow *Black* brothers and sisters would subject me to the same ridicule because I did speak a certain way and came from a more affluent background. Ok, this is my last point to make regarding names or words that have significant cultural bearings. I am currently married to a Nigerian-American man. I was told by him that the word *AKATA* is a word they use to refer to African-Americans and especially our women. It is a word that means foreigner but they really mean *Chicken head* or *uneducated fools*. I find that I am offended more by that then any word we have in our culture because it is their way of saying we don't think much about your kind of people. My girl Zora Neale Hurst said once, “that all my skin folks aren’t my kin folks”. This is definitively the case in this regard.

Author

Roschelle West-Ogbuji

Date

2006-03-02T16:31:26-06:00

ID

105101

Comment

Weeeelll, for me that's kindda iffy. But it goes back to my comments where I stated that it may be acceptable for some white people to use the word IF they have shared in black experiences. I am not at all surprised that they use it because it is so prevelant in hip hop (and as was pointed out in a post - somewhere- that white consumers make up a big part of the buying pubic) I am sure that both terms have just become acceptable because of the use in hip hop. And to be quite honest, I don't THINK, could be wrong, but I don't believe I'd be offended if I heard a white guy (depending on his age and style) using the n word with an "a" to speak to his black friends (especially if the person he's talking to is okay with that). I have not actually been in that situation, but like I said to me the two word (n!gga and N888er) have two separate meanings. As was stated earlier, you can tell by the content in which these word is used to determine if it is meant to disrespect or as a term of endearment. Maybe that should be the way we judge the word and it's meaning.

Author

Queen601

Date

2006-03-02T16:42:52-06:00

ID

105102

Comment

Roschelle, thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us. I can relate to the whole "talk black, dress black, act black" comments, and I guess that is what has become so blurred in some people's mind. My whole deal is how can you 'Talk" black or "Act" black? Are you saying because I try to pronounce my words correctly and don't murder the English lanuage that I am talking WHITE. That would be taking for granted that all whites use correct grammar. Somewhere along the line, someone was told it is EXPECTED for you to talk this way, dress this way or act this way because you are black. And that is just not the case. To me, if you buy into that mentality you might as well call yourself a n!gger and be done with it, since that is what you would be considered not too long ago.

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-02T16:45:21-06:00

ID

105103

Comment

I agree. Well to date myself. When I was growing up in the nineties and eighties hip-hop wasn't in the white communities yet. It was not even mainstream. It was clearly used as a put down to another black in my presence. I have never had the experience to know if I would be offended if they were to call me nigga in gest. I don't know if I would be offended.

Author

Roschelle West-Ogbuji

Date

2006-03-02T16:47:15-06:00

ID

105104

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Rochelle, I loved your post. I completely feel you. You are so right. And the AKATA word....OH MY GOODNESS....yes, m'am that would really really piss me off. You see this whole thing has so many different elements to it. You got the white folk who select who's black by how they act....you got the black folk who select who's white by how they act (as I just fell victim to in my last post) and you got the Africans whether Nigerian or American set up these same sort of categories within ourselves. People we have a broad range of problems here. I am really concerned about us as a human race. There are so many ifs, ands and buts....how will we ever get pass this. I mean if something so simple as a word can create this much controversy, how can we ever be expected to look at each other and not see a color?????????????????????

Author

Queen601

Date

2006-03-02T16:57:42-06:00

ID

105105

Comment

The problem is we won't. We are flawed. We are mortal. We are separated from our creator (whoever or whatever it is to you). We have to see beyond labels or stereotypes. Its hard to due but we have to try in order to make it a liveable society for our children. I have two beautiful girls. I want to give them a legacy of truth and knowledge to survive this place. BTW- check out my blog at http://www.apersonalsankofa.blogspot.com

Author

Roschelle West-Ogbuji

Date

2006-03-02T17:07:35-06:00

ID

105106

Comment

That is truly sad....true, but sad!

Author

Queen601

Date

2006-03-02T17:10:37-06:00

ID

105107

Comment

Queen, I've never hear the term 'hoodrat' but I can see where it would be offensive. If you can stand strong and not let that penetrate your skin, more power to you (but it doesn't mean that the people saying it ought not to be called on it). :-) An admission - my eyes bugged out a little when I was reading what you wrote: I remember once when I lived in Atlanta. I worked with this lady who to me seemed to be a bit superficial and seemed to lack substance. She was an older lady, by that I mean older than I was at the time....maybe about late 40's. I made the awful mistake of saying the n word in her presence to one of my guy friends. She nearly had a stroke. She went on to explain to me that my mother would be devastated to hear me use that word. I read that and I had to try and figure out if I knew you. :-) When I was in my late 40's, a young black woman called her boyfriend an "n" over the phone (using my phone), and I asked her what her mother would think about it. She shrugged, and said that her mother probably wouldn't like it. She was named after a famous civil rights person. I was pretty shocked by her using that word, and she knew it - that's why I had to stop and figure out if you were her. :-) I understand what you mean about reclaiming it, but I have trouble with it for a somewhat selfish reason - because I spent a big part of my life p*ssing off my family, peers and others trying to cure them of using that word (among other things). So, just think of me as though I were that woman you were speaking of, (even though I am assuming she was black and I'm not) and you can see that I/she am moving away from that old way of thinking somewhat (although I will never allow a white person to get away with that word in my presence). And I see you saying that you are trying to understand where she was coming from - and if she was black, she had all the more personal reason to dislike hearing it than I ever could. I hope I made sense and didn't ramble too much.

Author

C.W.

Date

2006-03-02T22:07:52-06:00

ID

105108

Comment

Can I interject a "white" comment on the "n" word and it's use by whites, "in jest." I have a problem with it - because I know people who would say it in a kidding way and who would try to pass it off as a jest, but it wouldn't be (or at least not wholly). I just don't like it - if that dates me, so be it. It's not a word I'm fond of by anyone, but by a white person, it's a flat no-no. If they don't say it, nobody has to try and figure out if they are kidding or not. There's a lot of kidding and/or funny stuff you can say without going there (maybe we need to expand our vocabulary, huh?). Rochelle, Queen, y'all are reminding me of this one from Zora: Sometimes, I feel discriminated against, but it does not make me angry. It merely astonishes me. How can any deny themselves the pleasure of my company? It's beyond me.

Author

C.W.

Date

2006-03-02T22:24:14-06:00

ID

105109

Comment

You know, I have some of my black friends that call me a n!gga and I just go on with it, but when I was growing up my mom had taught me that was a "bad word", so I never picked up on it. My brother---who didn't grow up with me--- uses it all the time in talking to his friends, white and black. He calls me a n!gga, but I guess I have been around people who say it so much that to me it's like they're saying "man". In an odd twist, I have to say that I have been called a b!tch too, which I can't really understand too much. What about that? When have you known guys to be called b!tches? The person who I heard say it worked for me... so give me your thoughts on that one.

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-03T03:09:57-06:00

ID

105110

Comment

This sort of brings me to another point. I recently called my brother a "boy" you know like ..."Boy, you crazy..." and he actually was like...correcting me on it. However, we use the n word to acknowledge each other all the time. Now what's up with that. This is crazy! CW, I am quite intrigued by you and your posts. You seem to me to be quite genuine. Allow me to share a personal thought with you. I can't speak for all black people, but I have had several conversations with several different black people and it seems to be the norm. In terms of interracial relationships, I've always thought that it would be difficult for many reasons. But the most pressing one would be the black person thinking whenever that white person gets upset they'd be tempted (if not successful) at calling that black person a n!gger. Which alludes to the idea that no matter what white people (even in matters of the heart) would always look at us as being n!ggers. Your post (and the idea that I can almost feel you when I'm reading your post -- and I'm convinced that you are genuine) is quite contrary to that. So would you say if you were (if you ever would be) involved in a relationship with a black man (or even one of your children) would that be a token you'd use to upset the person. Would you/could you/have you known of anyone who would quickly resort to that word in heated moments or during arguments. And, I am not the girl you had that phone experience with but seems like since we both remember those experiences so vividly that maybe they served as growth moments for us both. Funny, huh?

Author

Queen601

Date

2006-03-03T11:45:58-06:00

ID

105111

Comment

Wow this has certainly been a lively discussion. Like everyone else this is a topic I have given consideration. To that end I asked several young men of a local rap group why they thought it was okay to use the term N!gga when they would have a fit if a white person referred to them using the same term. Their response was varied and as confused as any thoughts I've ever had on the subject, but when I asked them why they used the term to describe themselves and others they told me they had reclaimed this terms with all it's negative connotations. They developed an acronym for the word spelled N!GGA and this is what they said: Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished! As for the word B!tch? I am one., full blooded and proud! Why? because this means simply the following to me: Babe In Total Control of Herself!

Author

The Conductor

Date

2006-03-04T06:21:10-06:00

ID

105112

Comment

Queen601 writes: But the most pressing one would be the black person thinking whenever that white person gets upset they'd be tempted (if not successful) at calling that black person a n!gger. Which alludes to the idea that no matter what white people (even in matters of the heart) would always look at us as being n!ggers. I think when people are arguing, they tend to zoom in on what they perceive to be vulnerable points without realizing it. Weight, for example, or religious background, or differing political opinions, or whatever. So while I think having the N-bomb flash through your mind as a white person is not a particularly desirable thing, I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it always says something general about how that person "really" sees all black folks. It could just be a sign that the person should have gotten more sleep or needs to lay off the sauce. Cheers, TH

Author

Tom Head

Date

2006-03-04T06:32:46-06:00

ID

105113

Comment

On the other hand... I once knew a guy who got fired from a job for getting frustrated and privately referring to one of his customers as a you-know-what while the regional manager, who happened to be African-American, was walking down the hallway five feet behind him. I got the story out of him when I saw him browsing the classifieds at a local coffee shop and asked what was up. Was this really the way his mind worked--was he a committed racist--or had he just absorbed so many ugly words from the culture that he found himself using them unconsciously? I don't know. But I didn't shed any tears for him because either way, he had it coming. Cheers, TH

Author

Tom Head

Date

2006-03-04T06:36:36-06:00

ID

105114

Comment

I have to address that older woman Queen was talking about once again. I've been thinking about her (even not knowing her) and thinking about what her personal experiences were with that word in the past, and how likely they were to have shaped her reactions; please think about that, Queen. Addressing both Queen's remarks and Tom's reply, I agree with Tom (somewhat reluctantly), that it might just be the human nature thing of pushing the hot buttons in a moment of anger, but would that not poison things? How could the one person ever be sure where the other person's innermost thoughts really were? It's the same with some of the other things that we may say in a moment of anger - we might not really mean them, but it may destroy a relationship anyhow. I know that life is a journey, and even if you are on an enlightening path, you are always somewhere on that path and never quite "there" yet. So, maybe we just need to try to accept that other people are not perfect, and try to understand where they are coming from, and give them a little latitude if they seem deserving of it. And if they don't deserve it now, don't give up on them, they may be growing.

Author

C.W.

Date

2006-03-04T10:33:50-06:00

ID

105115

Comment

Perhaps my strong aversion to the "n" word is the moment of epiphany I had when I was nearly grown. I probably couldn't tell this story if I hadn't already told it in the Colorlines project that Curtis Muhammad is doing, and experienced how freeing it is, even though it hurts. I grew up in an environment where I was not aware that there was anything wrong with using the "n" word or meaning it in the worst way. I gained some awareness as I grew older, and began to question it with others. I would do soul-searching and decide I had to stop using it; yet, I would, time and again, fall to the peer pressure of my time and family environment and use it or let others use it unchallenged. (I told you it was a journey.) I was working, afternoons, at a department store in Memphis, and at that time, the elevators were run manually by elevator operators. One of the operators, an elderly black woman, was a favorite of everyone because of her sunny nature, her quick smile and her interest in everyone she met, and she was called "Angel" by all. One afternoon, my coworkers (also young women) and I were going downstairs. One was them was relaying something a black person had done that she was unhappy with (at this point, I don't remember what, but nothing of major import) as we got on the elevator. One of the three of us said something like, "Well, you know how n***s are." and I and the other young woman agreed. This was a quite ordinary conversation nearly 40 years ago, believe it or not. Suddenly, though, the awareness of where we were and who we were speaking in front of (as though she were invisible or just not there) hit all three of us, and we fell totally silent, red-faced, and looked at the floor (anywhere but at Angel). We never discussed it among ourselves and I don't know if it affected the other two as it did me, but I was overcome with shame, born of awareness. I was such a coward that I was never able to face Angel again, much less apologize to her (I had to take the stairs to the fifth floor). It was a cure, though. I don't think I would ever be tempted to use the word verbally in a moment of anger, because I don't use it mentally (I have to believe that people who would verbalize it must sometimes think it). :-)

Author

C.W.

Date

2006-03-04T10:57:23-06:00

ID

105116

Comment

And, Queen, one last thought. You said Which alludes to the idea that no matter what white people (even in matters of the heart) would always look at us as being n!ggers . That says to me that the word still stings (because it express the idea behind the word), and that you know it does. So now you understand why many of us can't let it go unchallenged.

Author

C.W.

Date

2006-03-04T10:58:45-06:00

ID

105117

Comment

Conductor, thanks for sharing your comments. Can someone address why some men are called "B!tch Azz N!ggas?" That's one I can't really get. I've been called that---- for some reason. I'm a little slow sometime on context so I can appreciate anyone's thoughts on that phrase.

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-04T14:32:48-06:00

ID

105118

Comment

An email question posed to me should be addressed as well. It brought up the arguement some have that "White People can be N!ggas to." So how does that fit into this whole discussion. Is there a difference of meaning behind the already slang word N!gga?

Author

c a webb

Date

2006-03-04T14:35:11-06:00

ID

105119

Comment

C.W. writes: Addressing both Queen's remarks and Tom's reply, I agree with Tom (somewhat reluctantly), that it might just be the human nature thing of pushing the hot buttons in a moment of anger, but would that not poison things? How could the one person ever be sure where the other person's innermost thoughts really were? It's the same with some of the other things that we may say in a moment of anger - we might not really mean them, but it may destroy a relationship anyhow. No question. I'm not saying that multiracial couples should go around throwing ethnic slurs at each other (unless they're into S&M, I guess), because those are exactly the kind of comments that sting and make the other party go "Hmmm, I wonder if s/he always..."; I'm just saying that if you're a marriage counselor looking at, say, a loving four-year relationship where one night the white woman drops the N-bomb on the black guy, and that's the only evidence you've ever had that the white woman has a racist bone in her body, the number one impression to combat is the unjustified pessimistic reaction, which is "Well, that's the way she's always seen you." Assuming it really comes out of nowhere, that is; if it seems to confirm what has been hinted at all along, then that's a different story. If you're married to a person who has a powerful bias against members of your race, you're probably not going to find out about it in an unguarded moment because if it's healthy, pretty much the entire relationship is an unguarded moment. And if you're married to a member of the clergy, sooner or later a heated exchange is probably going to touch on what a holy-roller s/he is, whether you really feel that way at any other time or not. If you're married to a person of substantially higher or lower age or income, if you're disabled and your partner isn't or you're married to someone who is disabled and you're not, if your partner has a third nipple or an eleventh toe or a tendency to grow hair in strange places, then it's reasonable to assume that the heat-seeking missiles that get launched during a really nasty argument will eventually be drawn to the differences between the partners. And most of the time, I suspect that's probably all it means. Cheers, TH

Author

Tom Head

Date

2006-03-04T15:05:39-06:00

ID

105120

Comment

If you want to hear what the younger crowd is saying about this use of this word and it's use between the races, the radio interview we did is online at the link below. http://www.thedrinkinggourd.net/articles_archives.htm

Author

The Conductor

Date

2006-03-05T17:45:55-06:00

ID

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Comment

Renee, Thank you so much for lending your voice to this discussion. It is one that I think is interesting I wasn't raised using either word, but it is so much a part of some people's vocabulary. I hope you and Dr. Kearns are still coming to the two day event in April 2006 so you can touch on these topics during the forums.

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c a webb

Date

2006-03-05T18:55:51-06:00