Jackson Free Press

Please do not run for president again in 2008.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Tom Head
Jackson, Mississippi

Previous Comments

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108137

Comment

I do think he's telling the truth when he says he was trying to make a joke abut Bush. But, all the same, it was a tasteless and juveline thing to say, and if you say something like that in a heated election season, your kinda askin' for it. Still, what's done is done. By the way, have you seen the picture of the soldiers in Iraq holding up the bannerin response to Kerry? That was pretty darn funny.

Author

GLB

Date

2006-11-02T00:44:27-06:00

ID

108138

Comment

Agreed that he wasn't making a smear about the troops; it would have made no sense for him to do that. He obviously misspoke. My trouble with his response is that he completely blamed the Bush administration for exploiting a stupid statement that he had in fact made, and that did in fact sound exactly like he was dissing the troops. This actually echoes what I have come to believe was his mistake on the Iraq War. When he voted to authorize military action, he loaded the gun, left it on the table, and walked out of the room whistling. His entire 2004 campaign should have been along the lines of "The Iraq War was a mistake, it was my mistake and the administration's mistake, and the difference is that I recognize that we made a mistake and I think we need to correct it." Instead he tried to present himself as someone who was always ambivalent about the war when he obviously wasn't, because he made it possible. It had been authorized by Congress. This is John Kerry's war as much as it is George W. Bush's, and until he owns up to that fact, I don't really want to watch his mug on TV ridiculing the Bush administration for getting us stuck in Iraq. As far as I'm concerned, the Bush administration got us stuck in Iraq with the help of John Kerry, and if Kerry later came to believe that the war was unjustified, he owed us contrition. He and other senators could have stopped the war machine dead in its tracks with a simple no vote. They chose not to. That should be eating on his conscience if he really believes it's such a poorly conceived war, but I see no evidence that it is. The only members of Congress running for President in 2004 with coherent positions on the Iraq War were Joe Lieberman, whose position was basically "Yes, it was my war, and I still think it was the right vote," and Dennis Kucinich, whose position was basically "No, and I did what I could to prevent it." The "I voted to authorize military action because I didn't know how things would go, and wanted to choose the politically safest option" middle ground explored by Kerry and Edwards was valueless, and I think its valueless nature was what made Kerry's whole position on Iraq completely incoherent and ultimately cost him the election. Haven't seen that banner, BTW. I'd love to see it if you've got a link! Cheers, TH

Author

Tom Head

Date

2006-11-02T01:04:28-06:00

ID

108139

Comment

Tom: Just go to Drudge. It's right there. I tend to agree with your entire last paragraph (about Lieberman and Kucinich).

Author

GLB

Date

2006-11-02T01:46:47-06:00

ID

108140

Comment

From Keith Olberman- I'm not posting the entire thing, as it is much too long, and there are rules against that; but you should at least read it... [quote]And finally tonight, a Special Comment. On the 22nd of May, 1856, as the deteriorating American political system veered towards the edge of the cliff, Congressman Preston Brooks of South Carolina, shuffled into the Senate of this nation, his leg stiff from an old dueling injury, supported by a cane. And he looked for the familiar figure of the prominent Senator from Massachusetts, Charles Sumner. Brooks found Sumner at his desk, mailing out copies of a speech he had delivered three days earlier — a speech against slavery. The Congressman matter-of-factly raised his walking stick in mid-air, and smashed its metal point, across the Senator's head. Congressman Brooks hit his victim repeatedly. Senator Sumner somehow got to his feet and tried to flee. Brooks chased him, and delivered untold blows to Sumner's head. Even though Sumner lay unconscious and bleeding, on the Senate floor, Brooks finally stopped beating him, only because his cane finally broke. Others will cite John Brown's attack on the arsenal at Harper's Ferry as the exact point after which the Civil War became inevitable. In point of fact, it might have been the moment — not when Brooks broke his cane over the prostrate body of Senator Sumner - but when voters in Brooks's district started sending him new canes. Tonight, we almost wonder to whom President Bush will send the next new cane. There is tonight no political division in this country that he and his party will not exploit, nor have not exploited; no anxiety that he and his party will not inflame. There is no line this President has not crossed — nor will not cross — to keep one political party, in power. He has spread any and every fear among us, in a desperate effort to avoid that which he most fears — some check, some balance against what has become not an imperial, but a unilateral presidency. And now it is evident that it no longer matters to him, whether that effort to avoid the judgment of the people, is subtle and nuanced — or laughably transparent. Senator John Kerry called him out Monday. He did it two years too late.[/quote] More here... .

Author

Rico

Date

2006-11-02T01:52:07-06:00

ID

108141

Comment

You know, I agree with where Olbermann actually stands in all of this in that I would have certainly rather seen Kerry win the 2004 elections, and I would certainly like to see the Democrats take majorities in both houses next Tuesday, but it strikes me as profoundly weird that a guy who made such a huge speech about Bush using the phrase "it is unacceptable to think" would be so completely generous with Kerry in this instance. Cheers, TH

Author

Tom Head

Date

2006-11-02T01:59:34-06:00

ID

108142

Comment

I'm interested in candidates (and pundits) with ideas for how they would change the plan in Iraq in ways that will increase the likelihood of success there.

Author

GLB

Date

2006-11-02T02:06:21-06:00

ID

108143

Comment

I'm no big fan of John Kerry, but to this day I'm still p.o.'d about the swift boat thing- and find myself forced to defend him sometimes...

Author

Rico

Date

2006-11-02T02:22:44-06:00

ID

108144

Comment

This thing with Kerry's joke backfiring is an example of his being too smart for his own good. He tried taking a cheap shot at Bush not studying hard enough in school and how that led to his decision to invade a country without first studying the complicated religious situation there that ultimately resulted in us being stuck there. But he screwed up the delivery, allowed his distaste for the military to seep thru, and handed the Republicans a perfect opportunity to accuse him of maligning the soldiers on the ground in Iraq.

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T07:31:08-06:00

ID

108145

Comment

It's like I've always said about jokes; if you have to explain it, it failed. Kerry's been backpedaling for two days now about that "joke". Everyone understood loud and clear what he said and meant. It's what he's been saying since he himself left the military. Kerry has always been embarrassed by his military service since he left Vietnam. I can't figure out why he bothered, since I'm sure he could have made things easier for himself. That wasn't some backwards swipe at Bush, it was mocking our troops, something the Vietnam-era anti-war movement did all too well painting soldiers as criminals for decades to come.

Author

Ironghost

Date

2006-11-02T08:40:10-06:00

ID

108146

Comment

Here's the story in the NY Post in reference to the now famous Drudge Picture. It's from the Minnesota National Guard. Wonderful sense of humor there.

Author

Ironghost

Date

2006-11-02T09:05:53-06:00

ID

108147

Comment

It was ignorant too. If its about Bush, say what you want, he has an Ivy League master's degree. Last time I checked, they don't just hand those out for showing up in class, do they? Second, the military is on a whole, better educated than the American public. You can't advance past E-5 now if you don't have a certain amount of college education. All officers have degrees, most wind up getting Master's. For NCO promotions, lack of college credits is a mark against you and can be used to deny promotion. It used to tick Col Hackworth off that the army was so focused on college education for promotions. That wasn't an ignorant statement. That wasn't a joke gone bad. That was Kerry at his usual unpolished self saying what he really thinks, talking down to people, and saying things he should've known better about. In this case, its something in line with past comments so he has no credibility, especially when his comments after the whole thing exploded were not an apology but an in your face attack.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-02T10:00:47-06:00

ID

108148

Comment

Fish, I think I might agree totally with your last paragraph. Agreeing with you is so frightening. The good folks of America would still be wise to throw those sorry ass Republicans out of office so we can stop the war and bring our boys home soon.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T10:07:07-06:00

ID

108149

Comment

I agree also Kingfish. It was a elitist US Senator making not a joke, but a condescending statement about the intelligence and work ethic of the people who are willing to give their lives to serve this country. Maybe that's not what he meant to say. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that (mainly because I can't imagine anyone saying something so tremendously stupid on purpose), but things like this do touch a nerve with people. Whereas McCain was proud of his military service to this very day, Kerry is the kind of man who saw it as a line on his resume that was reluctantly forced on him. The fact that he views people as being "stuck" in the military as opposed to it being a very legitimate career opportunity for millions of Americans just shows how backwards his beliefs on war, foreign policy and the military in this country are. And btw, none of my anger at Kerry means that I support Bush or this ill-conceived and unjustified war. I’m just saying what Kerry said was remarkably stupid and ill-timed.

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T10:12:10-06:00

ID

108150

Comment

time to pour some gasoline on this fire. ;-) Senator Lott was not allowed the joke excuse, as he should NOT have been. Neither should kerry.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-02T10:16:32-06:00

ID

108151

Comment

Anybody knows what happened to Code Red's column about his women leaving him. I was going to tell him today how to get her back long enough to dump her instead. I was going to hold class today. Yes, I would have had to beat up my friend Emily and few other women I love just to help the brother out. This ain't about sexual orientation. This is about a King Rising Up Like A Man when a queen has tipped up from behind and knocked him down.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T10:21:41-06:00

ID

108152

Comment

My brother and I had a discussion about Lott's comments v. Kerry's comments and the reactions they received just last night. I'm beginning to see a pattern with politicians who make dumb @ss offending statements and how long it takes for them to formally apologize (assuming you consider Kerry's latest statement as an apology) after going a couple of days being defense and trying to explain what they "really" meant. It even reminded me of the recent "El Chico" flap with Ben Allen.

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T10:21:52-06:00

ID

108153

Comment

When you get to that level, you are talking about people who have been insulated for too long more often than not. Everything is managed by PR hacks and spinmeisters.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-02T10:25:59-06:00

ID

108154

Comment

I think that Kerry did what Kerry does. And without added fuel to the fire, VP Cheney had the best line on "Kerry's joke" I was for the joke before I was against it!" Sorry, know most of y'all don't like him (or his speech writers at that), but that was funny!

Author

pikersam

Date

2006-11-02T10:26:05-06:00

ID

108155

Comment

You would think Kerry's handlers would have told him that the first statement that should have been made after the story caught fire is "I'M SORRY FOR SAYING THAT." Instead he used it to go on an angry tirade (Some of which I actually enjoyed to be honest) that just added more fuel to the fire by indicating that he really meant what he said, but he was more angry about how it was being played in the media.

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T10:39:04-06:00

ID

108156

Comment

Kerry should be a Republican anyway. He's rich and doesn't know jack about working people. The army, Marines, Navy, and Air Force together couldn't dig a hole deep enough for Kerry to stoop to the level of Lott. There isn't anything lower than Lott. But he has a chance to show us he can change and do some good before leaving this world. I'm not hopeful but I'm pulling for him. I'd be one of the first to sing his praises should I even see a reason to.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T10:41:02-06:00

ID

108157

Comment

Rico, I read all of Olbermann's comments. Whoa. This is why I do not like political parties. The whole tit-for-tat thing is childish and reprehensible. At this rate, there will be another Civil War unless we do something about the nastiness that is partisan politics.

Author

LatashaWillis

Date

2006-11-02T11:14:40-06:00

ID

108158

Comment

Ray, I can assure you that me and alot of former and current soldiers are VERY angry at what Kerry said and we all think it is what he really meant. Its personal to us just like it was personal to you what Lott said.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-02T11:16:02-06:00

ID

108159

Comment

Its all relative, in terms of whose offended by what comments. I agree Rico. The political discourse in this country as it relates to the two-party system has become toxic. And anyone who tries to take the middle ground between the party extremes are either ignored or trampled on.

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T11:22:47-06:00

ID

108160

Comment

I meant LW, not Rico. Sorry.

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T11:23:23-06:00

ID

108161

Comment

ejeff, that is why I don't have a problem with Barr and Armey taking up for the ACLU on some issues when others were criticizing them for selling out because they were actually thinking about the issue itself and not just following their label.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-02T11:25:14-06:00

ID

108162

Comment

Agreed, Kingfish. In fact Armey was catching heat on the right-wing media yesterday for recent statements he made over the weekend criticizing (mildly I would add) the Congress and the Bush Administration, stating that today's Republicans "forgot the party's principles, became enamored with power and position and began putting politics over policy." Party affiliation = blind party loyalty in the minds of the extremes on both sides. That's the state of politics in today's world.

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T11:35:27-06:00

ID

108163

Comment

I have no defense of Kerry at all for that comment. He needs a brain transplant and a__whupping for that stupid comment at this critical time. He has blown any chance he has at being the president some day. I wouldn't support or vote for him either. Lott was true scum to the core long before he made those comment. He needs to fall out of love with Jefferson Davis, Bilbo, Eastland, and other trash like that. Then maybe he can finally be all he's capable of. All those years in Congress and Mississippi is still the laughting stock of the nation largely because of him. and his kind.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T11:37:16-06:00

ID

108164

Comment

That's okay, ejeff. This is why I've started saying "Divided States of America" and made T-shirts to that effect. When I started hearing the red-state-blue-state garbage in 2004, I knew we were in trouble. Can't we all just be purple? :-P I wonder what I would do or where I would go if a war did break out here. Wouldn't it be weird to see Americans jumping the fence to get to Mexico while Mexicans are trying to immigrate to the U.S.? I'm sure that Northerners would head to Canada. Hmmm, I wonder how Jamaica is this time of year. :-) As for Kerry, I think he should have apologized right away, although I admit that I was entertained by his angry tirade. Right now, I agree with Tom and think he should leave '08 alone. However, I don't have the heart to call someone an idiot. I'm such a sap.

Author

LatashaWillis

Date

2006-11-02T11:38:58-06:00

ID

108165

Comment

and Hillary is just licking her chops. Don't expect her to try to make this go away. Bill has to be laughing his head of thinking didn't that dummy learn ANYTHING from me?

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-02T11:43:43-06:00

ID

108166

Comment

Let me say one time and never again. I live in Ridgeland, Madison County, Mississippi. In Ridgeland all officeholders are republicans. No democrats even run anymore. So guess who I have to vote for. I won't stay at home and not vote. I could never curse out Dr. King, John Lewis, Fannie Lou Hamer, Medgar Evers and many more dead and living people who fought and died so that I could vote. I vote for the best republican I can find each election. But I'm hopeful the shat has hit the fan and we can now get rid of some of those power hungry, win at all cost, and crack-addict-skilled lying republicans. Some of my best friends are republicans. Smile.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T11:51:11-06:00

ID

108167

Comment

Can't wait to start referring to you as Ray Carter, self-admitted Republican Voter.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-02T11:53:04-06:00

ID

108168

Comment

Personally, I've always thought party affiliations at the municipal/county level are silly and unnecessary. I could care less about what my mayor or supervisor thinks about abortion, minimum wage, prayer in schools, gun rights, etc, because he can't change those policies anyway. Having a mayor with a D or R after his name is political shorthand for people too lazy to pay attention to what he/she stands for on local issues. Party affliation in my mind becomes relevant at the state level and higher.

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T12:03:33-06:00

ID

108169

Comment

Hey, I voted Republican in the last mayor's election.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2006-11-02T12:04:33-06:00

ID

108170

Comment

So did the people who voted for Melton, even though many of them didn't realize it. ;)

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T12:07:51-06:00

ID

108171

Comment

True. Allow me to revise: I voted for a Republican who was honest enough to admit he was a Republican.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2006-11-02T12:09:23-06:00

ID

108172

Comment

Yeah Fish, I compare it to using the bathroom in the woods. You hate to do it, but if no other choice, you will soon have to do it. I can't wait to use the bathroom inside again. These leaves are stratching my behind something terrible. I wonder if I ran for office would I get any republican votes?

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T12:19:20-06:00

ID

108173

Comment

"Some of my best friends are republicans. Smile." Funny, Ray. Like the way you rolled in that other thread with this little jab. {:)

Author

GLB

Date

2006-11-02T13:46:00-06:00

ID

108174

Comment

Ray, I can assure you that me and alot of former and current soldiers are VERY angry at what Kerry said and we all think it is what he really meant. Its personal to us just like it was personal to you what Lott said. Kingfish...does it matter to you...as a former solider...that it's pretty clear he wasn't trying to dis' the troops? Or do you feel OK with this sort of force-fed outrage manufactured by Tony Snow and the GOP operatives? I honestly don't get it. Here's what Kerry said: Yesterday, I was in the state of Texas. As you all know, President Bush used to live there. Now he lives in the state of denial. (laughter) The state of deception. I'm glad to be here with you -- I really am. Thank you for the privilege of coming here. We're here to talk about education -- but I want to say something before. You know, education...if you make the most of it and study hard and do your homework and make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq. Now, what he says he meant to say is: "If you don't, you get *us* stuck in Iraq." So, I guess what I don't get in all this is why people are willing to go along with this sort of 24-hour-news-cycle manufactured indignation. Hell, even Tom seems to be on that bandwagon. Kerry isn't running for anything, and, while he may run for President, I think he's shown the world that he doesn't quite have what it takes to be a top-tier candidate next time. So here's what I don't get...why not think for yourself, instead of letting Rush or Tony Snow or FNC or even MSNBC do it for you? And, just for the record, were you similarly agast when Bush equated the loss of nearly 3,000 troops, plus tens of thousands of wounded, plus thousands of dead Iraqis -- to a "comma."? "I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is -- my point is, there's a strong will for democracy." --George W. Bush, interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Sept. 24, 2006 Frankly, I think they're both stupid gaffes. One was made by the commander-in-chief and the primary "decider" in the matter of pre-emptive war.

Author

Todd Stauffer

Date

2006-11-02T14:42:40-06:00

ID

108175

Comment

Yeah, I don't get it, either. It sounds like a last-hour attempt to try to make Democrats look bad. It's spin. Reminds me of when everyone twisted what Howard Dean said about the Confederate flag. People, we are smarter than this. We are perfectly capable of looking at comments independently rather than follow the frothing idiots (on whatever side) who want us to blow stuff out of proportion. And, frankly, if he was trying to talk about the fact that many of the soldiers dying in Iraq are only there because they joined the military because it was the only way they could afford a frackin' education, fine, that needs to be talked about. That doesn't mean he said it right—but there is a difference between attacking someone for what they say and mean (like ole George Allen and arguably Joe Biden) and the kind of comments that Kerry and Dean made. I'll say it again: We're smarter than this. OK, maybe not Kingfish, but most of us. (Kiddin', Fishy)

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2006-11-02T14:51:40-06:00

ID

108176

Comment

Oh, and it is really disgusting that politicians are forced to backtrack on what they said inelegantly about an important topic because political sharks jump all over the inelegant way they said it.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2006-11-02T14:53:30-06:00

ID

108177

Comment

No offense, but I am looking at the comment independently; if I wasn't, as a liberal, I'd accept Kerry's explanation at face value. We all know that if, say, Bush said this and issued a similar non-apology, we'd be on top of it; Kerry should be treated no better, and the truth of the matter is that this is a perfect demonstration of why he should not get the nomination in 2008. George W. Bush did not make John Kerry say something stupid, something that made it sound like he was insulting the troops. John Kerry said it. John Kerry should have owned up to it, apologized for being inarticulate, and said "What I obviously really meant was...," and if he had done that, I wouldn't have seen it as a big deal. Instead, he launched a tirade about how Bush turned his statement into an insult against the troops. Well, Bush can't take credit for that one--it was a stupid statement before he even touched it. Likewise, Kerry should have owned up to his stupid vote authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, apologized for it, and said "Let me make it up to you, the American people." Kerry has a problem acknowledging his mistakes, which interferes with his ability to change course in a meaningful way. We already have a president like that; we don't need another one. Cheers, TH

Author

Tom Head

Date

2006-11-02T15:20:09-06:00

ID

108178

Comment

I'm not offended, Tom. :-) But, you did use the YouTube clip of just that snippet and not the part that lead up to it. Here was Kerry's response to Tony Snow, which was, I think, his public statement: "If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq . It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have. The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor. Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they're afraid to debate real men. And this time it won't work because we're going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq ." This is "the perfect demonstration of why he shouldn't get the nomination"? I don't think so. I'd go for something more substantial than that. (I think there are good reasons that Kerry shouldn't get the nomination, but I wouldn't pin it on this kind of stuff.) Apparently you can say pretty much anything you damn well please and be President...why hold Kerry to a higher standard? To me, this is another "Al Gore said he invented the Internet" thing, Tom. I'm disappointed that you would give it so much weight.

Author

Todd Stauffer

Date

2006-11-02T15:35:42-06:00

ID

108179

Comment

Actually what he said rings a bell of truth.. the military targets low-class, uneducated people to fill their ranks because said people really have nothing else, no future.. what better way to "get out" than to get a check from the military, get fed by the military, get a roof by the military, and get to travel the world thanks to the military? If you watched Michael Moore's documentary, you know what I'm talking about.. recruiters setting up shop in run-down cities that have lost their industry and jobs, promising nothing but the finest to kids who don't see a future where they are.

Author

Jo-D

Date

2006-11-02T15:46:36-06:00

ID

108180

Comment

Todd, where's the "I spoke in shorthand and smudged it, and I can completely understand why someone would think that's what I meant--but it wasn't, and..."? Because we all know he wasn't intentionally insulting the troops, but this is not a George W. Bush verbal gaffe, this is a John Kerry verbal gaffe, and he should acknowledge that fact and then do whatever he wants to do from there. He ended up giving the non-apology apology "I am sorry if anyone was offended..." anyway, so it's not like he would have lost ground by simply saying that he completely mangled what he had intended to say, but to act as if Bush said it just because Bush was willing to exploit it--when that's what people do in an election year, they exploit things--is counterproductive. Now, do I think refusing to acknowledge a verbal gaffe should cost him the 2008 nomination? Not necessarily. But refusing to acknowledge his profound gaffe as senator in voting "yea" for the Iraq War, in presenting it to the American people as if it were a sensible bipartisan thing, in remaining silent about any reservations he might have had until the war became less popular--this is all stuff that makes him a party to the Iraq War, and I think he should have held himself accountable for that and made his contrition a central part of his 2004 campaign. Given his own experiences in Vietnam (I never once heard Kerry refer, about Iraq, to "the last American soldier to die for a mistake"), a war actually started by progressive Democrats but kept artificially alive by Republicans, it seems to me that this humble act would have both made him seem less "aloof" and made his position on the war less incoherent. It was his visible arrogance, after all, that hurt his likeability ratings so damned much. Not that Bush was any less arrogant, but at least he was self-deprecating about the little stuff, which made him seem less arrogant when he completely screwed the pooch on the big stuff. John Kerry does not hold himself accountable for the little stuff or the big stuff, and that's why he should not be the 2008 Democratic nominee--why he really has no business in the race at all. Because this vulnerability will turn him into mincemeat if he faces any formidable Republican candidate in wartime. Cheers, TH

Author

Tom Head

Date

2006-11-02T15:52:06-06:00

ID

108181

Comment

Actually what he said rings a bell of truth.. the military targets low-class, uneducated people to fill their ranks because said people really have nothing else, no future.. what better way to "get out" than to get a check from the military, get fed by the military, get a roof by the military, and get to travel the world thanks to the military? If you watched Michael Moore's documentary, you know what I'm talking about.. recruiters setting up shop in run-down cities that have lost their industry and jobs, promising nothing but the finest to kids who don't see a future where they are. Jo-D Jo you may want to do a little research into the education levels of our men and women in uniform. Those "no futures" you mention end up with money for college (and most do go) and a discipline that is heads and shoulders above most college graduates of the same age. In the Officers ranks something like 90+% have college degrees or higher. You may want to look a little further than a Mike Moore documentary before you bash nearly a million service people. I'm not saying you are wrong about the military pushing a "future" onto people who may be in precarious situations; but, you are overlooking the fact that it is also a form government of assistance that allows some people an opportunity they may not have had otherwise. Also, where do you put the percentage of recruits that really want to be soldiers or represent our Country - like why Kerry supposedly joined for? I see plenty more of military recruitment ads on the evening news or sports show than I do during a Jerry Springer or Montel broadcast.... Hmmm....

Author

pikersam

Date

2006-11-02T16:27:17-06:00

ID

108182

Comment

but to act as if Bush said it just because Bush was willing to exploit it--when that's what people do in an election year, they exploit things--is counterproductive. Maybe I'm missing something. When did Kerry act as if Bush said it? But refusing to acknowledge his profound gaffe as senator in voting "yea" for the Iraq War, in presenting it to the American people as if it were a sensible bipartisan thing, in remaining silent about any reservations he might have had until the war became less popular--this is all stuff that makes him a party to the Iraq War, and I think he should have held himself accountable for that and made his contrition a central part of his 2004 campaign. And I'm not totally on board with this, either. As I've posted before from Kerry's speech on the Senate floor during the resolution vote... Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies. In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.

Author

Todd Stauffer

Date

2006-11-02T17:04:58-06:00

ID

108183

Comment

If we do wind up going to war with Iraq , it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a grave, imminent--and I emphasize ``imminent''--threat to this country which requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate national security needs. Prime Minister Tony Blair has recognized a similar need to distinguish how we approach this. He has said that he believes we should move in concert with allies, and he has promised his own party that he will not do so otherwise. The administration may not be in the habit of building coalitions, but that is what they need to do. And it is what can be done. If we go it alone without reason, we risk inflaming an entire region, breeding a new generation of terrorists, a new cadre of anti-American zealots, and we will be less secure, not more secure, at the end of the day, even with Saddam Hussein disarmed. Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances. And as for apologizing for the war: U.S. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts on Tuesday told an audience at the liberal Take Back America conference that he was sorry for voting to authorize the war in Iraq, calling the entire mission "a mistake." "We were misled, we were given evidence that was not true," Kerry said. "It was wrong, and I was wrong to vote [for it]." Kerry, who led an unsuccessful bid for the presidency in 2004, said it was necessary to admit mistakes because "you cannot change the future if you're not honest about the past." He criticized supporters of the war, who label anti-war activists and politicians as unpatriotic and pessimistic. Or, for that matter, this one.

Author

Todd Stauffer

Date

2006-11-02T17:05:28-06:00

ID

108184

Comment

Actually what he said rings a bell of truth.. the military targets low-class, uneducated people to fill their ranks because said people really have nothing else, no future.. what better way to "get out" than to get a check from the military, get fed by the military, get a roof by the military, and get to travel the world thanks to the military? If you watched Michael Moore's documentary, you know what I'm talking about.. recruiters setting up shop in run-down cities that have lost their industry and jobs, promising nothing but the finest to kids who don't see a future where they are. No offense but you really need to do some research because you don't know what you are talking about. I don't want to open another michael moore debate, but he is wrong and IMO willfully misleading people. http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda05-08.cfm As a service member I really don't care about Kerry's comments, but I see why some people do. He already lost credit with me when he abandoned his men in Vietnam. A scratch on the ass (or three) does not amount to a purple heart or release from theater.

Author

nothing

Date

2006-11-02T17:07:46-06:00

ID

108185

Comment

I surely am glad somebody took a different view. Initially, I was for Kerry standing up and not apologizing. The more I thought about it, the more I realized he shouldn't have said that, and hardly any explanation will suffice with the spin doctors of the opposite party desperate enough to do or say anything to get some mileage from this. Then I tried to put myself in the soldiers' and ex-soldiers' place. There I realized he had really screwed up. In 2004, I got mad at Kerry for being too nice toward Republicans. I wanted him to tell a few them to f-off or kiss where the sun doesn't shine, but he and his comrades took a different route. And they lost anyway. Kerry has all this potential and can't seem to stop screwing up. I doubt he can say anything about republicans that would offend me but he clearly wasn't thinking correctly when he added that part about not applying yourself would get soldiers stuck in Iraq. The minuscule or scintilla of truth in that comment can never compare to the overall falsity and damage it will cause Kerry personally. Fish, y'all's time is up. There ain't no other miracle to come. There ain't enough help on the way. We got to have it this time. Pack your stuff, you're fixing to move! Even Kerry can't mess this up.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T17:14:08-06:00

ID

108186

Comment

Fish, y'all's time is up. There ain't no other miracle to come. There ain't enough help on the way. We got to have it this time. Pack your stuff, you're fixing to move! Even Kerry can't mess this up. Ray I guess you are with them and not with us Ray... Too bad... BTW: Per your definition of Republicans being rich and out of touch with the working man, then that would mean Kobe, Lebron, Garnett, the Olsen Twins, and numerous musicians should be Republicans. You can't tell me that when you give millions to 18 year olds that they are going to be in touch with the working man as they mature - no matter their upbringing or socioeconomic level. Sure there are exceptions to the rule; but your hasty generalization deserves another! ;-) Also, can show me a poor Democrat in Congress? Come on, money makes both parties spin, thus the need for an independent 3rd party!

Author

pikersam

Date

2006-11-02T17:36:12-06:00

ID

108187

Comment

People telling me I need to do some research.. try first-hand research with current and former members of our elite military.. from their own lips have they told me they joined because they had nothing else and by joining they got fed, a roof, travel and yes, education via paid-for-by-the-military college AFTER they joined. Don't tell me to do my research. Your case and how or why you enlisted doesn't speak for everyone else that enlisted. The fact is, most of the people in the military doing the grunt work had nothing else in their future. Kudos to Kerry for pointing that out and how important education is. No kudos to Kerry for apologizing and lieing insomuch as he meant what he said but is now passing it off as a "botched joke". He should have stood by it. If you're man enough to say it, be man enough to stand by it.

Author

Jo-D

Date

2006-11-02T17:46:30-06:00

ID

108188

Comment

Pike, I don't know what you're talking about. I said what I mean, and I mean what I said. I have no use or need for a third party. Perhaps you do. We only need to throw out the party in power right now, and be willing to throw out the next one if they don't perform any better. Yes I can show you a poor democrat in Congress. Nearly all of them are poor by republicans' standards. Let me know when you want to ride or fly up there with me for the unveiling. He, he.... I'm with the scrapping, loving, and caring constituents of the country who wants us to be all we can be. I want our soldier boys back home until we really need them to fight. I don't know who you are with but theses are my people. Perhaps you're not one of us! Much love.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T17:53:04-06:00

ID

108189

Comment

What else you got Pike? Sorry for my errors. I make too many of them when rushing and distracted.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T17:58:30-06:00

ID

108190

Comment

Ray writes: Initially, I was for Kerry standing up and not apologizing. The more I thought about it, the more I realized he shouldn't have said that, and hardly any explanation will suffice with the spin doctors of the opposite party desperate enough to do or say anything to get some mileage from this. Then I tried to put myself in the soldiers' and ex-soldiers' place. There I realized he had really screwed up. In 2004, I got mad at Kerry for being too nice toward Republicans. I wanted him to tell a few them to f-off or kiss where the sun doesn't shine, but he and his comrades took a different route. And they lost anyway. Kerry has all this potential and can't seem to stop screwing up. I doubt he can say anything about republicans that would offend me but he clearly wasn't thinking correctly when he added that part about not applying yourself would get soldiers stuck in Iraq. The minuscule or scintilla of truth in that comment can never compare to the overall falsity and damage it will cause Kerry personally. Amen. I'm just quoting this verbatim because everything I was about to say, you just said better and in fewer words. Cheers, TH

Author

Tom Head

Date

2006-11-02T17:59:06-06:00

ID

108191

Comment

Nothing, taking shrapnel in your thighs and buttocks is not a scratch. Unless you've been injured in war, I strongly suggest you not make light of a serviceman's injuries. Saying that Kerry "abandoned his men" because he was sent home after three Purple Hearts is just stupid. I think it's pathetic that people are so eager to attack Kerry's service--how he's handled the Iraq War is a separate question, though I think Todd is doing a very effective job of dismantling Tom's arguments--when his opponents (George W. Bush and Dick Cheney) were goddamned cowards who dodged the draft. It's a stark symbol of how fubared our country has become when Kerry can be labeled as hostile to the military while a chicken-hawk like Bush is seen as pro-military. Pathetic.

Author

Brian C Johnson

Date

2006-11-02T18:03:10-06:00

ID

108192

Comment

By the way, Pike, Barkley and many other rich black musicians and athletes are indeed republicans. Money and other republicans will corrupt anything and anybody every time. Ex-athlete Maxwell (lnu) said he made too much money to be a democrat. Those brothers are misquided. Flavor Flav, the greatest rap hype man the world over, repeatedly said "you can trust it." He was talking about money and republicans. If you don't know who Flavor Flav is he's the brother on cable television with all the women competing for him. I believe ANYTHING a lucky man like that says.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T18:13:17-06:00

ID

108193

Comment

Amen Brian.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-02T18:16:45-06:00

ID

108194

Comment

Last I checked Ray, the Olsen Twins were white... but you and i digress if we focus on that.... Also, Barkley has stated recently that he would probably run as a Democrat as he is miffed at the Rep's; but, you may have missed that watching lame VH1 shows. Were you at the Dock when Public Enemy played there in 90? I don't recall seeing you there. Seeing as how you are an attorney who probably makes more money than many Republican voters in Madison and Rankin, then you must be an exception to the rich thus republican theory of yours. Must be nice! So, are trial attorney's just an exception to your rule? They trend Democrat. But, there is a grain of truth in what you claim. Just ask Representative William Jefferson D-LA who was sacking away thousands of dollars in his freezer. Guess he wasn't rich enough? Would you recommend that his defense consist of saying he was just trying to get as rich as the Republican congress members? You can have your party. I have a need for a third party, as do a lot of posters here, that does look out for the common man like myself - who doesn't even sniff the salaries of lawyers. A third party that doesn't just talk, and actually gets something done without screwing over the people that voted for them. A third party that isn't so black and white when it comes to issues, and looks for the shades of gray that can make us a better country. Vote your interests, not like sheep! Belittle me if you want for wanting a third party; but, it doesn't make you right and it doesn't make me wrong. BTW: I'd be willing to bet that Bennie Thompson has more money than Lott per their IRS returns.... Also, I bet that a majority of athletes and musicians don't even vote. Heck, I would love to see the voting records of all the Hollywood jet set , who talk a good political game. Of course, I guess they could just get their assistants to fill out their absentee ballot! ;-)

Author

pikersam

Date

2006-11-02T20:02:16-06:00

ID

108195

Comment

This whole spin by the media is by design . . Bush and Kerry are cousins, both went to Yale during the same time frame and BOTH are memebers of the most elite secret socitey in the country, Skull and Bones. http://www.youtube.com/v/1neSYeIl828

Author

MoreRockin

Date

2006-11-02T20:13:34-06:00

ID

108196

Comment

You know what's funny, Pike, is that as much as the Demorats and Republicons hate each other, they hate the idea of a viable third party even worse.

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-02T21:35:52-06:00

ID

108197

Comment

Itodd: Kerry has ZERO credibility with me. I believe nothing he says. He has worse credibility with me than Bill CLinton believe it or not. His whole life has been dedicated to seperating women from their money. His whole career shows a hostility to the military after he got out. From his despicable comments in 72 to his comments about our troops in Iraq earlier this year to these comments. They are what this elitist really thinks. I remember when the Iraqi PM visited the US Kerry called him a pawn of the Bush admin. that Iraqi PM is putting the lives of himself and his family on the line as countless Iraqi officials can verify. If we fail in Iraq, that man probably winds up dead. I don't think Kerry will EVER take a political position that might have a real chance of causing his death. I hate him for his slander in 72 and willingness to use this slander to advance himself then and what I think is a real slip now. Even if it was a joke, I'm not amused by a joke about Iraq period. There are alot better Democrats in their party than this guy. Sorry iTodd, I do NOT believe him at all on this. His response afterwards said it all.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-02T23:18:16-06:00

ID

108198

Comment

As for Jo'd's ignorant comments about our military, let me see. I have served at Fort Benning, Fort Jackson, Fort Devens, Camp Shelby. I have attended several multi service schools. I have attended schools and training with officers, cadets, and enlisted personnel. Frankly Jo-d You are ignorant about this issue. just because Micheal friggin Moore told you something does not mean it is true anymore than something is true because Limbaugh said it was. the military is better educated than American Society as a whole. There is a VERY broad cross section of people in terms of class. You think they are underpriveleged? I can say the majority probably is not underprivileged. I'd say the majority is middle class. When I went through basic training, probably over half the troops there had college credit already. The same through AIT. My AIT was 6 months long and multi service so I saw a lot of different troops. You can not get NCO promotions without college credit. The military heavily stresses education now. Since the force was downsized after the Soviets pulled out of Europe, the military is more picky about who they take in to the military. there is no more avoiding a sentence by a judge by enlisting. you are awarded rank when you enlist for college credit. E-2's are not even half of the troops in basic training. The USAF has even higher education requirements. Frankly, alot of people join the military because its what they want to do and not just because they have no future. In fact, I'll say its the majority of them. If you knew anything at all about the military, which you DON'T, you'd know how technical most of the MOS's are now. You can't walk into training with no education and expect to learn how to operate highly technical equipment that can take a year to learn if you don't have an education and a decent IQ. If you compare the military in terms of education and intelligence, it ranks above the average member of society. However, since you have had a few drinks with some friends who are in or were in, you know more about this than people who have had extensive service and have been around the military quite a bit.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-02T23:20:16-06:00

ID

108199

Comment

Defensive much? See the world through clear-lense glasses.. if you think for a minute that poor, uneducated people aren't being targeted for the military, then you are the ignorant one.. or just in plain denial. I never said EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the military was low class. Of course there are middle class and upper class folk in the military. That's a given. durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Author

Jo-D

Date

2006-11-03T02:25:43-06:00

ID

108200

Comment

I have a nephew in the military. I myself was able to graduate from college at 17 because I benefited from the Defense Activity for Non-Traditional Educational Support (DANTES) credit-by-exam program and the Regents College external degree program of the University of the State of New York, both designed for military personnel and beneficial to anyone who is a good self-study. So in a roundabout way, even though I'm not a military person and have never aspired to be, I have benefited from the U.S. armed forces' educational opportunities, and they are immense. I think the military is great for a lot of things--upward social mobility among them--and I can't see how anybody would want to denigrate that aspect of it. In fact, my opinion of the military would be uniformly positive if it weren't for the whole you-might-have-to-kill-people thing, but I see that as a necessary job and I'm glad there are people willing to do it. It's true that people who serve in the military tend to be more intelligent than average. It's also probably true that they're average, maybe even below average, coming in. But all this speaks to is how great the military is for developing intelligence--as good as any college or university--and I think the proof is to be found in that. Most of the folks I know who serve in the military don't do it purely for altruistic reasons--they like the culture. They like the cool toys. They like to travel. They like to feel like they're living meaningful lives. They like to learn. But the fact that it's them and not me over in Iraq and Afghanistan and nearly everywhere else on Earth in some quantity isn't lost on me. Cheers, TH

Author

Tom Head

Date

2006-11-03T02:31:56-06:00

ID

108201

Comment

People telling me I need to do some research.. try first-hand research with current and former members of our elite military.. from their own lips have they told me they joined because they had nothing else and by joining they got fed, a roof, travel and yes, education via paid-for-by-the-military college AFTER they joined. I've talked to a few here and there so I'll stand by my comments. Don't tell me to do my research. Your case and how or why you enlisted doesn't speak for everyone else that enlisted. That contradicts your first statement. Nothing, taking shrapnel in your thighs and buttocks is not a scratch. Unless you've been injured in war, I strongly suggest you not make light of a serviceman's injuries. Saying that Kerry "abandoned his men" because he was sent home after three Purple Hearts is just stupid. OK, I'll say it again, it was treated at the BAS with a band-aid. What can I say, some people have no honor. I saw a 1SG get a purple heart for twisting his ankle while running to a bunker during a mortar attack. Most serve honorably, but there is always that one. If a twisted ankle or a scratch is all it takes, then my entire platoon would have purple hearts. Regardless, even if the purple heart was deserved, the injuries were not serious enough to send him home. He instead requested to be removed from theater. That is as low as it comes, especially from an officer. It suggests to me that he had no bond or loyalty to his subordinates and you can't lead men in combat if you don't have their trust. Maybe they do it differently in the Navy, but in the Infantry you lead from the front.

Author

nothing

Date

2006-11-03T09:14:02-06:00

ID

108202

Comment

Not defensive at all Jo-D. Just setting a know it all activist straight on something he has never experienced. You deliberately twisted what I said. I said the majority of the soldiers were middle class. I never said you said every person was low class. I said the majority of soldiers were from middle class, not poor and from the projects. Tom: you missed my point a little. I said most of them do have education already when they enter the military. As they award rank based on college credit, you see more entering soldiers with college backgroungs. You can start as an E-4 with a college degree and there are quite a few of those. The days of the armed forces being composed largely of kids fresh out of high school are long gone. the majority is middle class and has some higher education under their belts. That right there contradicts Kerry's statement as to them being uneducated and the assumptions made above about soldiers starting out uneducated and being educated while in the military.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-03T09:38:51-06:00

ID

108203

Comment

Here is a column written by the parent of a soldier killed in Iraq about Kerry's comments. http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110009186

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-03T09:46:49-06:00

ID

108204

Comment

What a wonderful comment Pike. If I weren't so rebellious or bellicose I could agree partially with you. But you know me. My friend Pike an independent is an addled-minded person. They don't know whether they want to use the bathroom or just sit on the stool and keep other people from using it. Moreover, too many so-called independents are nothing more than a wanna-be-republicans who are ashamed, scared, and confused. Their great failing is that they hang around too many republicans. If you hang around liars, corrupt individuals, and phonies, before long, you become dirty too. It's like hanging around funky and smelly people, no matter how much you clean and wash yourself, the funk will eventually dirty you up too. Sho' I'm right. The problem with voting for republicans (aka s______ in the woods), is the unavailability of toilet paper. You may get a little temporary relief, but the leaves and sticks will leave your rectum scarred and dirty. This way you will have to walk around pretending to be clean when you know you're scarred and dirty. The democrats have clean bathrooms and lots of toilet paper waiting for just you. How about the republican fellow name Sherwood (I think) who is paying some woman half a million dollar to keep quiet about his abuse of her until the election is over? And how about Revern Double Life, the evangelical leader who practiced religion and marriage by day and hit the dope pipe and his other mate at night time. Both were typical good republicans I bet. Come on in from the cold Pike and Fish. The country needs you. If not now, when? How much bullshit from the republicans you need to see and hear. Sure, Clinton got a little piece of outside sex every now and again, but he was trying to save Hillary for a presidential run. Who can blame him. Smile. Sho Nuff.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-03T09:48:26-06:00

ID

108205

Comment

an independent is an addled-minded person. They don't know whether they want to use the bathroom or just sit on the stool and keep other people from using it. Moreover, too many so-called independents are nothing more than a wanna-be-republicans who are ashamed, scared, and confused. - Ray Carter Well, I can see where this discussion is going...

Author

Jeff Lucas

Date

2006-11-03T10:19:15-06:00

ID

108206

Comment

*yawn*

Author

pikersam

Date

2006-11-03T10:20:25-06:00

ID

108207

Comment

My recent experiences allowed me to meet lots of military in Afghanistan. I was with everything from National Guard to Special Forces, to Defense Secretaries (I got to meet Rummy when I was over there). My impression was that the military consists of men and women from all social and educational strata, with all sorts of different motivations for enlisting. I saw a few things in common with almost every person I met, though. They were proud of their service, they were courageous in dangerous circumstances, and above all, they were professional. In my world, the civilian professional world, I'm considered a fairly competent person by my peers. I am well educated and I do my job well. But, over there, compared to those men and women, I felt like a dumb, cowardly, obstable. Not that they treated me that way --everyone treated me with repect even though I was a civilian. But I just felt that way because I was so humbled by the military men and women around me. So, that's one civilian's first-hand experience of the modern US military in a combat theater.

Author

GLB

Date

2006-11-03T10:32:49-06:00

ID

108208

Comment

Not necessarily Ejeff. I got to see what Pike has left, if anything. I roll with the punches. I raise the dial based on what's before me. I rendered Pike speechless. She/he ain't sleepy, just thumped by the truth. Pike are you a he or she?

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-03T10:48:34-06:00

ID

108209

Comment

Ray, if you had a point besides using wiping your booty to discuss party affiliation then I may "show you what I got." But, the reality is when the heat gets turned up the the kitchen you become more cryptic and less funny (see your misogynistic "saving Hillary" comment) as you go along. So, I am not going to stoop to your level to have a half-assed discussion about 3rd parties vs Democrats. It's pretty clear you are a yellow-dog democrat, like Sarah O'Reilly-Evans and Stephanie Parker Weaver to use examples of outstanding Democrats who would never screw over the people or make your ass hurt! More power to ya' Ray; but, I am not going to have a silly argument that doesn't recognize that two people can different view points.

Author

pikersam

Date

2006-11-03T11:02:11-06:00

ID

108210

Comment

Alright, boys, me to turn the heat down here a bit: NO personal insults from anyone, please. Zip up.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2006-11-03T11:09:09-06:00

ID

108211

Comment

OK... sorry. The local politics are more fun anyway! ;-)

Author

pikersam

Date

2006-11-03T11:15:54-06:00

ID

108212

Comment

Good Pike. ;-)

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2006-11-03T11:18:04-06:00

ID

108213

Comment

I'm shocked Pike by your latest comments, but I'm not offended or distressed. I love you my sister or brother. Otherwise, I wouldn't debate you anymore. Do you still love me too? An "I have nothing of substance to add is a more truthful response." However, I know you didn't really have anything from the beginning like most republicans pretending to be independent. I'm not misogynistic. Only an addled-minded person could think this. Smile. You will need to take your issues with Stepahanie and O'Riely-Evans to them. You know there is nothing yellow about me. I always though you were a woman until I saw your first email this morning. Something in it made me think you were a man instead of a woman. I don't mind being confused by you. "All if fair in love...." The Clinton and Hillary comment was clearly a joke and you and everybody else know it. Yawn. Sho nuff.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-03T11:18:58-06:00

ID

108214

Comment

Let it be known Pike is scared of Ray Carter.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-03T11:21:04-06:00

ID

108215

Comment

What this bidness about Ray and Stephanie getting it on? Will Pike be jealous he lost Stephanie to Ray? What a tangled web this place is becoming.

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-03T11:39:18-06:00

ID

108216

Comment

Terrified Ray... I'm absolutely terrified of you! But, just to let you know... "The gypsy woman told my mother Before I was born I got a boy child's comin' He's gonna be a son of a gun He gonna make pretty women's Jump and shout Then the world wanna know What this all about But you know I'm him Everybody knows I'm him Well you know I'm the hoochie coochie man Everybody knows I'm him..." Muddy Waters Peace out Ray!

Author

pikersam

Date

2006-11-03T11:44:58-06:00

ID

108217

Comment

Republicans are so easy. Hopefully, we're about the lower the number of them defrauding our country and getting our soldiers needlessly killed. I like Stephanie Weaver. I don't know O'Reilly yet. I'm out too Pike. Ray Carter is the bomb. Watch me!

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-03T12:02:37-06:00

ID

108218

Comment

Jump back and kiss yourself Ray!

Author

pikersam

Date

2006-11-03T12:05:05-06:00

ID

108219

Comment

Ray: I think this link describes you and your post PERFECTLY!!!!! http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiBZd0tFDHcBH4mjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12f7lje32/EXP=1162660057/**http%3a//looney.goldenagecartoons.com/tv/nick/hiphiphurry.jpg

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-03T12:08:24-06:00

ID

108220

Comment

The roadrunner and coyote are my favorite cartoon of all time. That was them? I like to piss off my opponents as I debate them. You should see what they do and say when angry. Sometimes they just blow up before the jury w/o saying anything of value.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-03T12:20:46-06:00

ID

108221

Comment

Ray: the problem with that tactic is this: http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiA9e0tFRnkBEtWjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12jidks5p/EXP=1162661053/**http%3a//crh.choate.edu/science/Physics250/images/WileECoyote.jpg

Author

Kingfish

Date

2006-11-03T12:25:09-06:00

ID

108222

Comment

Caution is the key. It works better on the young and inexperienced one. When a bomb gets dropped on me I pretend I don't know it - i refuse to let them see me sweat while calmly and quickly trying to get the scrapmetal from my behind beore it's too late.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2006-11-03T12:39:33-06:00